I've got one word for you: Daleks.

You don't think the BBC went through all that hassle with Terry Nation's family for just one episode, featuring just one Dalek?

:)

→ Posted by: Martin at June 4, 2005 8:47 PM

Wow - nice theory. In fact, I love it.
I've always thought this whole time war thing was a bit implausable - and the end must relate to that in some way (well we know it does because the end involves the extinct race known as the daleks!)
On the other hand, the best bit about the series was the doctor's face off with the dalek. And I was hoping that a face off with 'bad wolf' would happen - a bit of a confrontation about the 'wolf' not coming in to help when he was needed etc... would have been fun

But still - that is one awesome theory. Ever thought of going into script writing?

→ Posted by: Martin at June 4, 2005 10:30 PM

Could Adam be the young Davros character?... It would explain the initial problems with T Nation's Estate

→ Posted by: James at June 5, 2005 2:01 AM

It appears obvious to me it is Fenric. Remember the wolves of Fenric!

→ Posted by: Brendan Quinn at June 5, 2005 9:35 AM

Has to be the daleks. The number 23 6 801 keeps popping up everywhere in the series and on the sites.

Season 23 - we are on now. Episode 6 - Dalek. 801 seconds - we first see the Dalek!

Added to this, we now know that the Daleks will appear in the episode Bad Wolf.

Without a doubt - it has to be the Daleks!

→ Posted by: Alan Collins at June 5, 2005 10:42 AM

Ummm... No... We're on Season 27.

→ Posted by: CJ at June 5, 2005 11:21 AM

If anyone goes on the UNIT website, then you will know that the password has been changed. I know what the new password is! It is badwolf! I am trying to find out more.....

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 5, 2005 11:23 AM

If you listen to the last music clip on the badwolf website you hear the words of a William Blake poem... The sick Rose

O Rose thou art sick
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

→ Posted by: Stephen Calvert at June 5, 2005 11:34 AM

I have been reading the ideas regarding ‘Bad Wolf’ with interest, and have an idea for you (not mine, unfortunately). In Dalek, the Doctor refers to the creator of the Daleks as a genius, shortly before Adam Mitchell declares himself a genius. You can probably see where I am going with this. By the time Adam leaves the Doctor and Rose, he has seen a Dalek, has had all manner of information passing through his mind regarding future technology, and perhaps most importantly, has a hole in his forehead in the same place that Davros has an eye. Has the Doctor inadvertently created Davros?”

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 5, 2005 11:41 AM

Carrying on from my previous comment, Davros created the Daleks, who hate The Doctor. Adam would obviously feel annoyed at the Doctor for not letting him travel with him, so he creates a creature to destroy the Doctor....

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 5, 2005 11:45 AM

Found this on TV TOME, which is a great site-
The viewers of the Bad Wolf channel on Satellite 5 seem to be shaping the events affecting the Doctor and Rose, apparantley having been filming the Doctor's adventures since he left. Realizing this, the Doctor makes a return appearance to Satellite 5 and is forced to play the game 'Bad Wolf' in a 'Big Brother' style house with two other contestants. However only one contestant will leave the house alive. Elsewhere Rose takes part in The Weakest Link hosted by a robotic Anne Robinson with robotic contestants, whilst Captain Jack appears on What not to wear with a robotic Trinny and Susannah. Meanwhile Adam re-appears as an agent for the Doctor's greatest enemies who intervene with plans of their own - the Daleks. This final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor.

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 5, 2005 12:27 PM

The Daleks have never been that clever with time travel....So some one or some thing bigger is involved...could it be that the time lords them selves have lost the plot? Also look at the tardis..the console room is very different than it use to be..very old and looking more like a junk yard.....Very primitive. Haven’t the Daleks made a copy of the Doctor before? Captain Jack seemed to be able to rewire the tardis...How? He’s not from gallifrey..is he? Or is it that the tardis isn’t?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 5, 2005 1:25 PM

I have read around, and I like the idea of Adam being a young Davros (with the hole in his head!)

Can someone explain why some Dr Who fans dislike Davros, and why they'd prefer the emperor Dalek. Also, why would Davros cause problems with Terry Nations estate??

→ Posted by: Puskas at June 5, 2005 2:22 PM

Just found this on the Bad Wolf site set up by the bbc. It was only visable if you high light the page went back to check it was gone..

Rose - Are you there? Are you getting this? You've got the point, haven't you? Rose...?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 5, 2005 3:12 PM

Given that we now know we're going back to satellite 5 next week, that raises something I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else mention…

In the confidential that accompanied that episode, Rustle T Davis did mention that the presence of The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe raises an interesting question - how did it get there? - He also said that this question would be answered.

My guess is that some entity has been controlling humanity’s destiny since the very beginning (the Jagrafess being it's latest agent) and that that entity is "bad wolf" - the reason that we have seen "bad wolf" references everywhere isn't that the references are following the doctor, so much as they are all over earth (due to being engrained in human consciousness) - so the doctor can't help but encounter them.

Remember that the only non-earth reference to "bad wolf" was when The Moxx of Balhoon tells the Face of Boe that being trapped on the exploding Platform One is "the classic Bad Wolf scenario..." - remember that everyone on platform one was a "earth buff" and that by the end of the world it is quite possible that the whole "bad wolf" thing has been exposed and dealt with, therefore common knowledge amongst earth-buffs.

Oh well, I guess we'll know in a few days...

→ Posted by: Will Tingle at June 5, 2005 5:05 PM

Silly thought just came to me..it's something that could of been on earth along time and spread the Bad Wolf message throught out it's time.....could it be adric? Yea i know stupid?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 5, 2005 6:45 PM

I have to say that being able to watch this show is alot of fun. I pray someone really picks it up here (in the US), but for now torrents will do.

First I'd like to address the original post. I'll just put out a crazy theory. Could Mickey be the master? It's just struck me as odd why they would keep him around. We have all the character background for Rose so we really don't need to see Mickey anymore. Why is she still straining to have a relationship with him?

Secondly i like the Adam/Davros idea and it may pan out later, but i don't think that's the Bad Wolf reference.

Also love the Possession idea that has the doctors body being possessed by the Master and letting Christopher Eccleston stay on re-occuring maybe? I think his character is a brilliant doctor.

I have to say that i have found a fond love for the new series. Congratulations to the UK and the BBC for such a good remake of a classic.

I hope you are forwarding all this stuff to Mr. Davies.

:)

→ Posted by: BlueBoxPolice at June 5, 2005 7:59 PM

quote: "Also, why would Davros cause problems with Terry Nations estate??"


Read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3535588.stm"

→ Posted by: Martin at June 5, 2005 8:31 PM

Re: Adam / Davros.
This _can't_ be the "bad wolf" reference as Adam is in Rose's timeline _afer_ Gwynneth saw the bad wolf in Rose's head :-)

Although I do like the theory as a something separate from the "bad wolf" references...

→ Posted by: Artela at June 5, 2005 8:50 PM

I think we are missing something from the TV movie.. The Tardis swallowed up the master...what if he's still in there..controling the Tardis..hence why it started to open the rift so he could gain power and escape? And the tardis it's self keeps showing signes about Bad Wolf..wolf in the fold? Master in the Tardis?

→ Posted by: stepman at June 5, 2005 9:28 PM

unit.org.uk - secure site, try buffalo, then key in BADWO , launch a missile

→ Posted by: PT at June 5, 2005 10:08 PM

Its the Tardis or the daleks.
The tardis...
Rose must have seen it before "the unquiet dead" because of what Gwynneth said. So it was something from episodes 1,2 or maybe 3. Or all of them.
The master was trapped in the Tardis at the end of the 8th Doctor Movie, and could be the Badwolf, but this might not be the case as refering back to old episodes is something the bbc are trying to avoid.
The Tardis had a strange effect on Margaret in "Boom Town" and the doctor said "she looked into the heart of the tardis, not even i know what that's like". Though not derictly "badwolf" related, it is an important point, and a tension build up.
Everywhere they travel they see Badwolf references. "how can it be following us?" your travelling with it!
Apparently the Nestene cries out "BADWOLF!" when it sees the tardis, but i haven't checked this. This makes sense as there are no other references to BW in the episode, and Rose hasn't started travelling yet.
The Tardis is telepathic, and "gets inside your head". This could explain why Gwynneth saw it in Rose's head, and why it appears all over the place, from people sub-conciously having the words Bad Wolf being put in their head when they are near the Tardis. E.g Badwolf graffiti, ON the tardis (and a poster near where it landed), and the Moxx saying "its the classic bad wolf scenerio" and "Blaidd Drwg" just popping into Margaret's head... After she had been around in the earlier episodes.
As for the references on ballons, tv channels etc this may be from the Tardis, just travelling through time, spreading the message.
The Daleks...
The theory of the Daleks and Davros. The daleks warred with the time lords, and wiped them out,they all had Tardises, but only one survived... And the Daleks aren't the sort who go around leaving clues about themselves in such a wierd way "alert, alert, we have been detected"
As it says below, the Tardis may be warning the Doctor and Rose, which makes sense as it may think of the Daleks as Badwolfs, as it may've seen into the future, and seen the Doctor in "Badwolf" and then the Daleks appearing...
But again, Gwynneth said, rose had already seen it, but this may be the Tardis imprinting a Dalek into her mind, without her knowing. Explaining why she was so familar with one in "Dalek".

I quote from the Bad wolf site
"Is it a mistake to think it's a person? Perhaps it's an object... A UNIQUE ONE.

We know that the TARDIS can alter Rose and the Doctor's perceptions of the world so that they can understand alien languages... perhaps it's responsible for placing the clues about Bad Wolf all around them?

Thinking about it, it all makes sense.
I'm probably wrong, but...

The adam = davros theory is cool. How does he appear in the future as an agent for the daleks?
Can he time travel? (with the daleks?)
Could he travel back to Skaro?

→ Posted by: Scammeleon at June 6, 2005 10:34 AM

I'm entirely with you on the thought that the TARDIS does create the messages as warnings. Either the warnings are directed towards The Doctor and Rose or they are directed at the world, to warn them about the Doctor.

Like Clive says in episode 1, everywhere the Doctor pops up, he is loyally accompanied by death.

The theory that I and a friend of mine had come up with earlier included the master. But since I've seen that the 'Bad Wolf' episode will have Daleks on it (or is that just an illusion, part of the game the Doctor is forced to play?), so I guess this season we will not see the Master yet.

→ Posted by: Snif at June 6, 2005 11:44 AM

Adam CAN'T be Davros because Davros isn't human, he is a Kaled. So unless RTD wants to add a whole new depth of connection in that the Kaled race is some kind of spurned human race then that can't be true. That's how the T Nation estate would be peeved though I guess, if they tried to alter the creation of the Daleks.

I think something dodgy's going on with the Dr, surely the BBC would contract him in for longer than one series - they did with Billie Piper - why not the main character, assistants are easier to explain away than regen-limited time-lords!

→ Posted by: Sean at June 6, 2005 1:05 PM

Adam could be Davros, as Davros was mutaded. This could have removed human DNA.

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 6, 2005 3:49 PM

Yes, he was mutated, a mutated Kaled. He didn't mutate into a Kaled.

You can't mutate into another being, evolve yes, mutate no.

Saying that maybe in RTD land maybe anything is possible because somehow 'Dalek' cried for the sun - though was probably a clever ruse to trick Rose into helping it escape.

→ Posted by: sean at June 6, 2005 3:52 PM

Just found this on the Bad Wolf site set up by the bbc. It was only visable if you high light the page went back to check it was gone..

Rose - Are you there? Are you getting this? You've got the point, haven't you? Rose...?

It's still there, it's on the disclaimer page which you can access from the front page...

→ Posted by: ivan at June 6, 2005 4:27 PM

Adam cannot be the real Davros. Has no one seen "Genesis of the Daleks"? At the start Davros doesn't even believe in life on planets beyond Skaro.

→ Posted by: Richard at June 6, 2005 5:40 PM

Yes Richard, but he was mutated, so maybe he lost some of his memory?

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 6, 2005 5:51 PM

Hi all,



As far as i can see, the Bad Wolf idea of being the master could be reasonable. He got pushed into the 'Eye Of The Tardis' which was supposed to be all powerful like the 'Heart Of The Tardis'. They wouldn't have killed him off completely and RTD did say there was a gap to bring him in sometime.



If you can remember the Doctor Who Film, the Tardis was in its retirement age, you could say, a lot more of a relaxed atmosphere inside, plus it was full of wooden structures and many other more detailed features. (unlike the previous series', where the interior/console room was very bright and plain. Apart from a few occasions, such as the Tom Baker period where he had an all wood style inside, in other episodes he also had various items of furniture lying around).



Back to the point - Bad Wolf refering to the master, I think I can remember two or three episodes where the master had powers to control the mind, so whatevers left of him and the Tardis may just be enough for him to play his tricks.



Somehow 'Captain Jack' maybe something to do with the master. Such as an assistant, but we'll wait and see.



Adam - yes he may have something to do/or play a big part with the Daleks, but he cant of created them. Because for one that might mess things up a little, two - yes, Davros was a Kaled. They may bring Davros back in somehow, if that is at least slightly possible, but I can remember him suffering from an illness or something, hense him in the big bubble.. Also, didn't Sylvester McCoy wipe him?



Something has to be leading this new fleet of Daleks, I dont think it will be the one from dalek episode either..



Another Bad Wolf theory that Rose may have something to do with it also seems believeable as I heard that she is left in control of the Tardis, Jack is tortured and of course, the doctors regeneration will probably occur over the next two episodes..



Meaning if he was killed, he would just regenerate of course. If he doesn't win 'Big Brother' by the looks of it he would be killed anyhow. As with 'The Weakest Link' and i dont know about the other. Knowing that Rose stays in it might explain the Bad Wolf bit.



We'll see anyhow...

→ Posted by: Phatal at June 6, 2005 5:57 PM

I think you all have it backwards, the Bad Wolf is The Doctor. There seems to be a theme in this series about good being relative, and certianly it is alluded that The Doctor might not have done the right thing during the time war.

→ Posted by: mark firestone at June 6, 2005 6:58 PM

Hi,i have just read a comment from a Doctor Who mag,that the twist would please fans from the 60's as well as the present,could it be the meddling monk ??
Remember the start of the movie(PM)the daleks and the master didnt get on,so NO way the master.
We all know that CE is making may for the new doctor,so how about tennant being a watcher aka bad wolf (like baker/davidson)as we all know that the doctor can see future doctors ??

→ Posted by: mark bland at June 6, 2005 7:26 PM

perhaps bad wolf isn't what it is but a clue like an anagram.
e.g. kaled = dalek.
bad wolf = ?

→ Posted by: michael F at June 6, 2005 7:27 PM

Back to the doctor being Bad Wolf..we are forgetting the Valeyard? He's out there some where..
I think 'the twist would please fans from the 60's' could be the Dalek Invation of Earth..or the look of their space ships.
Perhaps Bad Wolf is not the doctor but one of the Tardis original crew..Susan perhaps..the Doctor's own Kin?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 6, 2005 7:57 PM

Have you ever thought that most of what Rose has worn throughout the series had been in red ... Little Red Riding Hood perhaps? And that makes the wolf...

→ Posted by: wincheap at June 6, 2005 9:22 PM

am not sure if this has bein mentioned yet but if u think about it Adam is the bad wolf because he knows al the secerts 2 the future

→ Posted by: hobbit at June 6, 2005 9:48 PM

Found in:

http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Badwolf.htm

Quote: Part 1 of a 2-part story; when the TARDIS transports its crew to a reality TV station the Doctor becomes trapped in a 'Big Brother'-type show, Rose meets Anne Droid and discovers who is the Weakest Link, while Jack learns What Not To Wear from fashion gurus Trinny Woodall and Susannah Constantine.

Even though Rose has learnt a lot in a year, even she's surprised when the one man she trusts isn't who she thought he was...

This story will also explain all of this season's 'Bad Wolf' sightings...

Also have heard a rumor that Paul Magann being in the last story? Not sure about that though...

→ Posted by: deamack at June 6, 2005 10:49 PM

FACT: Davros is credited on IMDB for the last episode.

FACT: The Master is not. These constant Master comments are missing the point.

FACT: Adam is not. These constant Adam comments are missing the point.

Now let's try and use some logic in guessing this rather than indulging in endless fanwank about ideal characters we'd like to bring back. Yes, The Master played by Roger Delgado was one of the best villains ever, but Eric Roberts' Master in the film was showed that the same character could just be a wet drip, and we know he won't be in it, so let's stick to facts, and stop endlessly meandering off-topic.

There could be some extra villain from the past, but it's unlikely. Throughout this series, RTD has aimed at new audiences, with only the odd nudge and wink to existing fans. The chances that some obscure villain from some episode 50% of viewers won't have seen, i.e. Fenric, the Meddling Monk, will return, are nil.

The cast of the last 2 episodes is:

The Doctor
Rose Tyler
Jack Harkness
Daleks
Mickey Smith
Jackie Tyler
The Controller
Linda
Susannah
The Anne Droid
Davros
The Watcher

We can assume that Bad Wolf is either the Tardis, or one of these people.

We actually know from episode synopses that the Big Brother TV show the Doctor is on is also called Bad Wolf.

Nobody has asked the glaringly obvious, whether the Tardis is trying to warn the Doctor that he's being watched on Bad Wolf television. But the name Bad Wolf for the television programme could itself just be another alert over the same thing.

So, from that list, Bad Wolf could plausibly be:

*The Doctor
*The Tardis
*Daleks
*Mickey Smith
*Jackie Tyler
*Davros
*The Watcher

This assumes that the Watcher is the same Watcher as has been on a past 'Doctor Who', i.e. a projection of the Doctor's future self, and therefore, the Doctor himself.

Bad Wolf cannot be Rose - the message on the Bad Wolf website is clearly a warning to Rose (not The Doctor), and it cannot be Jack Harkness, Linda, Susannah, The Anne Droid, or The Controller, because all of these characters will have been introduced after the 'You've seen the Bad Wolf' comment.

There is also a rumour floating on some websites that the 60s Dalek Emperor will be back - if so, this makes sense, given it could be the same character as Davros, as in Remembrance of the Daleks.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 7, 2005 2:48 AM

P.S. No, Paul McGann will not be back. He can't return as the Doctor for copyright reasons. On film and TV, his Doctor is jointly copyrighted to the BBC as well as several American consortiums with whom the 1996 film were made (though the other incarnations of the Doctor from the TV series are still copyrighted ot the BBC).

This is one of the main reasons why he didn't come back in the first episode to do a regeneration scene. The BBC would have HAD to pay an arm and a leg just for five minutes of McGann.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 7, 2005 2:53 AM

Some thought on the Doctor's regeneration.

It's now clear that Christopher Eccleston signed up for one year from the start, and knew he wouldn't be doing a second series. It's also fairly clear now that David Tennant had been cast as the Tenth Doctor before this series even started broadcasting.

There are conflicting reports of whether or not Eccleston will be in the Christmas special, before the second series. If so, he'll regenerate at the end of tha, but if not, his Doctor will be killed off at the end of this.

I find the 'James Melody' with only no previous IMDB credits, cast as The Watcher, a bit fishy - it could well be that this is a pseudonym for David Tennant, or some other character playing 'Watcher' figure (but is no guarantee Eccleston's Doctor will be killed off this series, it's possible he'll die in the Christmas special).

I'd heard a story that several possible endings had been recorded on purpose, so that cast and crew couldn't give it away - one of these endings apparently has the Doctor being exteminated, and regenerating in episode 13.

According to both The Mirror and the Star, Rose gets kidnapped by the Daleks in the final story, as they prepare a fleet to invade the earth. Will the Doctor betray earth for her? Will he betray her for earth? Will he die for her? These are all reasonable possibilities.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 7, 2005 3:09 AM

Ok, the most recent ep, "Boom Town," at least guarantees that we aren't all fan-wanking over an in-joke. The Doctor is not an altogether terrible liar, but we fans can spot the difference. ;)

I find it highly feasible that the Doctor is either half-possessed by the Master, or that the TARDIS is half-possessed by the Master. I would not easily accept that the Eccleston character is (100%) the Master in disguise, and I say this based on his genuine concern for (most) life. The Master would more likely be working to help folks destroy Earth, and the presence of a pretty but primitive and insignificant human would be very unlikely to sway him toward even a convincing show of mercy. Just think, when he had Gwynneth alone in that dungeon he could have vented the gas and struck a secret pact with the Gelth to help them take over Earth in exchange for a favor...

However I would believe that the Doctor may be partly controlled or influenced by the Master because our newest Doctor has a flair for the slightly apathetic and even occasionally ruthless. (vis "Dalek," Rose's line, "What about you, Doctor, what the hell are you turning into?")

A note about the many adventures "implied" in the first episode (Clive's storehouse of photos of the 9th Doctor) ... in Boom Town, while talking with Mickey, Rose discusses all kinds of adventures that we haven't seen on TV.

Very importantly, this could imply that the TV show is not showing Rose's adventures with the Doctor IN SEQUENCE. If the shows aren't in sequence then who knows what Rose saw before Gwynneth read her mind.

Perhaps the most important clue I have for everybody is that we have to remember that "canon" "facts" stated by fictional characters in past episodes ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRUTHFUL STATEMENTS. For example, yes Davros says that he doesn't believe in life on other planets, but it could have been a propaganda tactic, which would fit Davros's iron grip of fear perfectly. And yes, Davros was allegedly a Kaled, but did anybody put him under a medical scanner to verify it? Much easier to control and slaughter a native species if you yourself aren't a native... so maybe Adam is the Bad Wolf, and I strongly suspect that Adam will recurr as a villain, but on the other hand the "third eye" is an ancient symbol in our stories symbolizing wisdom or all-knowingness, and so it could just be a coincidence.

Speaking of lies, consider these few facts and observation from episode Dalek:

1. The Dalek was trapped far below the surface of the Earth and remained unmotivated until the Doctor arrived.

2. The Dalek falsified tender emotions so that Rose would touch it and allow it to absorb her DNA. The Dalek made special reference that it was time traveller DNA.

3. A Dalek would know that if it killed the Doctor and then escaped, the Doctor would regenerate and pursue - but if it could convince the Doctor that it had committed suicide as an act of honor, it could rejoin the Dalek fleet and notify them that the Doctor is active again...

The lyrics of the William Blake poem quoted above and recited on the Bad Wolf website seem to indicate the Master (if you don't know why, watch the Doctor Who - The Enemy Within movie again. Jeeze, even the title to the movie seems to be a clue to the Master inhabiting... something!)

And lastly, someone above mentioned that Bad Wolf could be an anagram. I've observed that the new series' intro goes from a blue timestream to a red one (if these are Doppler colors, that means a reversal of flow) and "Wolf" is "Flow" spelled backwards. The TARDIS was originally powered by energy from a black hole ("originally" meaning before Gallifrey was destroyed)... and in Doctor Who black holes lead to antimatter universes, so perhaps the TARDIS can see the future and has known all along exactly what the Bad Wolf is?

Getting exterminated by a Dalek blaster seems quite without intrigue, which would be extremely disappointing after all this Bad Wolf business and therefore I say unlikely.

→ Posted by: Guessworker at June 7, 2005 4:27 AM

What if this whole season of Doctor who takes place in the matrix or some replicated universe which amounts to an entertainment tv show and nothing more?. Remember we know from the start that by the end of the series Rose can never go home. Maybe her home doesn't really exist? Perhaps what we are seeing throughout the whole series is not the real world. Maybe thats why this doctor ends up as a hologram What if this whole universe shown in Doctor who is like an intergalactic zoo? or perhaps even a computer game or computer program? We could be the spectators. The programer might be bad wolf. In the real universe The daleks and the time lords may have survived. The last great time war and everything to do with the series could all be a simulation.....

→ Posted by: George Athanasiou at June 7, 2005 7:28 AM

Just a couple of notes:
on badwold.org.uk in the disclaimer page with the hidden message to Rose is also a link to a supposed computer company, if you link to it you see on their disclaimer page that it has been set up to tie in to the badwolf game, and if you look on the support page the first question asks about jumper settings, the settings are morse code for badwolf.
So nothing that tells us what is going to happen but if we keep searching we might just find more.

→ Posted by: Decarabas at June 7, 2005 7:34 AM

Just a couple of notes:
on badwolf.org.uk in the disclaimer page with the hidden message to Rose (highlight the whole page to read) is also a link to a supposed computer company, if you link to it you see on their disclaimer page that it has been set up to tie in to the badwolf game, and if you look on the support page the first question asks about jumper settings, the settings are morse code for badwolf.
So nothing that tells us what is going to happen but if we keep searching we might just find more.

→ Posted by: Decarabas at June 7, 2005 7:35 AM

Just visited the Geocomtex site, reached from the badwolf.org disclaimer page. Amongst the items on their 'Products' page it says:

Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants)

LUPUS is Latin for WOLF
NOCENS (I believe) means GUILT (as in 'nocent', the opposite of 'innocent'

Is there a connection with "stabilised nodes"?

On the 'Support' page --

"Q: Do I need a MX-TBL plug-in for the WTFLD Generator?
A: Only if you're planning on feeding the flying pests."

MX-TBL = Theodore Maxtible? Is this "the twist would please fans from the 60's" ?

Finally the 'Recruitment' page reads, in part:

"Skilled? Motivated? Good at seeing the future? We're always looking for people like you..."

Could the 'seeing the future' reference be someting to do with the Doctor-Watcher relationship?

Anyway these are my thoughts and findings, doubtless there are plenty more waiting out there. And of course all will be revealed in a few days!

→ Posted by: Walking Pencil at June 7, 2005 12:08 PM

Just visited the Geocomtex site, reached from the badwolf.org disclaimer page. Amongst the items on their 'Products' page it says:

Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants).

LUPUS is Latin for WOLF;
NOCENS (I believe) means GUILT (as in 'nocent', the opposite of 'innocent'.

Is there a connection with "stabilised nodes"?

On the 'Support' page --

"Q: Do I need a MX-TBL plug-in for the WTFLD Generator?
A: Only if you're planning on feeding the flying pests."

MX-TBL = Theodore Maxtible? Is this "the twist would please fans from the 60's" ?

Finally the 'Recruitment' page reads, in part:

"Skilled? Motivated? Good at seeing the future? We're always looking for people like you..."

Could the 'seeing the future' reference be someting to do with the Doctor-Watcher relationship?

Anyway these are my thoughts and findings, doubtless there are plenty more waiting out there. And of course all will be revealed in a few days!

→ Posted by: Walking Pencil at June 7, 2005 12:09 PM

On the products page of the Geocomtex site, the following products are listed:-

IE core chip transistors
Gravitic technology research
Bubble memory
Argentum Ordnance (6/9/32 piece packs)
Psychtronic - Electronic Interface hardware
Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants)
Ether beam sensing technology
Telebiogenesis
Reduced stature nebulalloy
Bonded polycarbon

Are they all that's needed to make a Dalek?

→ Posted by: Chris at June 7, 2005 12:50 PM

I'll say it again:

It is possible the Doctor is possessed by The Master.

It is possible the Tardis is possessed by the Master.

But it isn't going to happen!

No actor has been credited as the Master, the final two-parter already reveals that the villains behind it all are the Daleks and Davros. Do people really expect a third villain to be revealed to be behind it all, in yet another "Aha! it was I" moment? Forty five minutes doesn't give inifinite room for intricate plots, and the notion that we could have the three characters get into three separate TV shows, have some scenes with them, have them break out and discover the station, have them discover the Daleks are behind it all, have them find out what the Daleks are up to, have Rose kidnapped by the Daleks, AND THEN have a major, unannounced, but highly expected plot twist in which the Master is revealed to have been manipulating everything, just won't happen.

What people don't seem to accept is that it's perfectly possible that the Doctor is reacting strangely/has done unpleasant things, *without* being possessed by the Master. It's been a long time since we last saw the Doctor, and this Time War may well have changed him. Furthermore, as hinted by the Hartnell and McCoy characters, he always had a dark side. Is it too much to ask that the most clichéd, highly expected villain after the Daleks (the Master) *isn't* a convenient scapegoat for everything after all?

So, back to the shortlist (which I've now placed in my own order of suspicion):

1.The Doctor
2.TV show 'Bad Wolf'
3.Daleks
4.The Tardis
5.Mickey Smith
6.Jackie Tyler
7.Davros/Dalek Emperor
8.The Watcher (projection of the future Doctor's self/NOT the Valeyard)

(Rose and other characters have all been discounted, for reasons listed in a previous posting)

→ Posted by: Logic at June 7, 2005 2:46 PM

I belive that the WATCHER is a time lord. The Doctor, The Master, The Watcher?

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 7, 2005 4:21 PM

For Heaven's Sake! Read my previous posts on why the Master is just NOT possible as a third major villain in what's already a plot crammed full with twists and turns.

I'm probably getting paranoid, but are BBC employees trying to throw us off the scent by posting red herrings on these sorts of boards?

Or do people want to see the Master again so much that they'll keep posting the same theory, no matter what?

→ Posted by: Logic at June 7, 2005 4:37 PM

I did read it, and i'm not sayiing tha master will be in it, i am just saying The Watcher may be a time lord, and using the Master to show what the Time Lords name are like!

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 7, 2005 4:40 PM

Just found this on a reliable TV website, TV TOMEE-
Marks the final episode of lead actor Christopher Eccleston and the Doctor's ninth regeneration caused by his extermination by the Daleks.
This is the Doctor's first regeneration caused by his greatest foes, the Daleks.

→ Posted by: Gerry at June 7, 2005 4:44 PM

These are fascinating theories my freinds and I made some joke theories and some proper ones. here are the Jokes.
Bad Wolf is Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart
Yeti
and other weird and wacky things
Here is the other theory
Adam has travelled in time and has also downloaded 197,990 years of history crammed in his brain making it possible to create a time machine and travel to the future and become Davros.
The Watcher could be our 10th Doctor.
Bad Wolf possiblity of Mickey seeing his glare at the end of Boom Town suggests a level of evil in him and he has been inside the tardis a couple of times.
The Tardis being the wolf
A slytheen being a sheep in wolves clothing etc.
or our Doctor himself maybe perhaps he has a hidden agenda.
Though it would be great to be the Valyard marking the fact that the trial of the timelord was the first Doctor Who I saw and can remeber from memory.

→ Posted by: Sam at June 7, 2005 5:44 PM

Bad Wolf is a resentful K9 seeking revenge on the Doctor after years of imprisonment with Lala Ward.

→ Posted by: x at June 7, 2005 7:08 PM

Bonded polycarbon is what the casing of a Dalek is made of..
Heres a thought..Bad wolf that involved little pigs..where have we seen one of those latley? Another clue? And why dose the Doctor suddenly keep saying sorry to dead corpses? especialy when he's not incolved with there death...or is he?

→ Posted by: stepman at June 7, 2005 7:21 PM

On TVTome web site the discribe the plotline of Bad Wolf but also this snipet...

'Meanwhile Adam re-appears as an agent for the Doctor's greatest enemies who intervene with plans of their own - the Daleks. This final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor...'

→ Posted by: deamack at June 7, 2005 7:42 PM

Re. Geocomtex site. If MX-TBL plug-in is Theodore Maxtible, then WTFLD Generator is Edward or Victoria Waterfield.

→ Posted by: stormer at June 7, 2005 7:52 PM

I'm not entirely sure how the Bad Wolf storyline pans out, but from what I've seen and read so far, I think its somehow connected to the Bad Wolf TV channel. I read on one site that the Doctor and Rose have been followed around by cameras from the future as part of a TV show, if this is the case maybe the constant Bad Wolf references are designed to be 'adverts' for the show - imagine the Truman Show, and the way all the characters did product placements because it was a 24 hour live feed. Only a theory though!

→ Posted by: Nina at June 7, 2005 10:43 PM

Well,


Unless the BBC are hiding it from us (which is possible), it doesn't look like there is going to be an Adam, Master or Davros in the next episode.. The cast list on the BBC One listings comprises:


The Doctor ...... Christopher Eccleston
Rose Tyler ...... Billie Piper
Captain Jack ...... John Barrowman
Voice of Anne Droid ...... Anne Robinson
Voice of Davinadroid ...... Davina McCall
Voice of Trine-e ...... Trinny Woodall
Voice of Zu-Zana ...... Susannah Constantine
Lynda ...... Jo Joyner
Strood ...... Jamie Bradley
Crosbie ...... Abi Eniola
Rodrick ...... Paterson Joseph
Floor Manager ...... Jenna Russell
Male Programmer ...... Jo Stone-Fewings
Female Programmer ...... Nisha Nayar
Agorax ...... Dominic Burgess
Fitch ...... Karren Winchester
Colleen ...... Kate Loustau
Broff ...... Sebastian Armesto
Controller ...... Martha Cope
Security Guard ...... Sam Callis
Androids ...... Alan Ruscoe, Paul Kasey
Dalek Operators ...... Barnaby Edwards, Nicholas Pegg, David Hankinson
Dalek Voice ...... Nicholas Briggs


The storyline with that is:
'The Doctor, Rose and Captain Jack have to fight for their lives on board the Game Station. But a far more dangerous threat is lurking, just out of sight. The Doctor realises that the entire Human Race has been blinded to the threat on its doorstep, and Armageddon is fast approaching.'


So lets wait and see!

→ Posted by: Phatal at June 8, 2005 3:20 AM

"Adam cannot be the real Davros. Has no one seen "Genesis of the Daleks"?"

Of course he can't, but I think you're missing something. Adam can't be Davros, but he CAN be the Davros surrogate for the new series. He can be to the new series what Davros was to the old.

Davros created the Daleks in a story called GENESIS. What's the name of the First Man in the Book of Genesis in the Bible? Davros has an "eye" in the middle of his forehead. Adam has a portal in the middle of his forehead. In the episode "Dalek," Eccleston mentioned (without saying his name) that the Daleks were created by an evil genius. Adam immodestly boasts to Rose that he's a genius only minutes later.

It all fits. Somehow Adam uses Dalek DNA to generate new Daleks. That would also explain why Terry Nation's estate initally balked, because the "real" Daleks (i.e. Davros' Skaro Daleks) are all dead. That WAS the last Dalek. The Daleks in the final episode will be new Daleks created from scratch in a second Genesis by the second Davros, Adam Mitchell.

Think about it. Adam accomplishes nothing in his two episodes. He's just an annoying twerp who contributes nothing to either "Dalek" or "The Long Game". So why is he there? (that Russell T Davies thinks Bruno Langley's cute isnt a good enough reason). He must be there to show the Doctor making a huge mistake by dragging him to the far future, leaving him to wander off and get into a big mess, then rudely booting him out of the TARDIS and vindictively refusing to remove the alien technology from his head!

This would make Eccleston's whole arc much like Jon Pertwee's era, opening with an Auton story and ending with a story (Planet of the Spiders) where the Doctor's own arrogant meddling causes (stealing the blue crystal) causes all the trouble in the first place, requiring him to sacrifice his own life to set things right.

→ Posted by: Ian Latrine at June 8, 2005 7:59 AM

RTD refers to a charachter of "dalek lore" returning. States that BBW is not the Master or Fenric. In the last Dalek outing with Sylvestor Mcoy Davros escapes from the bridge of th Dalek mother ship before it explodes. So in theory he has been floating around earth since 1963. plus we know he has time corridor knowledge and create his own version of Daleks from humans i.e. no need for Skaro as seen in the Colin Baker Dalek episodes.

My money is on the Tardis or the Doctor's future or past self as it needs to be relevant to the audience of today who've never heard of DAvros etc..I think the issue with the TN estate was over Davros as the reason he always popped up after Genesi was TN's insitance that he had to

→ Posted by: Stephen at June 8, 2005 8:28 AM

I just remembered, once Terry Nation said there can be no new Dalek stories without Davros, so perhaps Davros has to be in it as that is the only way the BBC can use tha Daleks again

→ Posted by: michaelf at June 8, 2005 9:02 AM

According to IMDB, Davros is credited in the second episode, but not the first. Given all the revelations in the first episode, there's unlikely to be much time for Davros in the 'Bad Wolf' episode anyway.

I'm not convinced this is a good idea. Davros was absolutely riveting in 'Genesis of the Daleks', but in every story since then, he's been presented as a rather lame caricature of himself, due to a combination of poor writing and poor makeup/voicing (an unmodified, posh English accent in 'Destiny of the Daleks', and Terry Molloy's OTT one-note-screaming from thereon).

The only effective treatment of Davros since then has been in 'Remembrance of the Daleks', because we hardly saw him at all in that story. I hope something similar happens, or that if Davros gets much screen time, he'll return to the thoughful, amoral genius of 'Genesis', instead of the blundering two-dimensional megalomaniac he's been since then.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 8, 2005 9:30 AM

http://observationdome.ofla.info/ is claiming to be responsible for the Davros claim on IMDB as a hoax.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 8, 2005 9:41 AM

Well here's part of my theory(s).

The episode "Bad Wolf" is a prequel 9i use the term loosly) to the 60's episode "The Dalek Invasion of Earth". Thats where the speculation that 60's fans are going to love it. Also note that the interior of the ships looks much like that of the old Peter Cushing Dr Who movies (based on the episodes of the same name). Please also note, that the dalek in the episode "Dalek" also looked alot more like the Daleks from the PC movies then the ones from the original series, the lights on the dome re a perfect example of my point here.

It is also possible (however unlikely...this is more a joke theroy) that the Bad Wolf is the sonic screw driver. We know there are other sonic devies in the universe (as demonstrated by captain jack and his Sonic Blaster). We also know (or at least have been hinted towards) that the Doctor made his Sonic Screwdriver. His love for his little toy causes him to use it all the time, to brake bars, bend metal, blow up walls...and yes..ONCE he even used it as a screw dirver. One big theme in Dr Who is how fragile the time line is, and even the smallest thing can change the time line for ever, for bad or good.

I have more extended versions on these theorys and more other theroys lie perhaps Bad Wolf is a Rupert Murdoch type tycoon (like VanStatten tried to be), but this post is getting to long now so I wont go into them YET.

→ Posted by: AJay at June 8, 2005 10:14 AM

If Norman Lovett is in the last episode as Davros - it won't be the first time I've seen him! Didn't realise he was Holly in Red Dwarf.....

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0522686/

→ Posted by: Chris at June 8, 2005 12:41 PM

Hi There

Has anyone considered that Bad Wolf might be an anagram?......

→ Posted by: Tally at June 8, 2005 1:14 PM

Maybe we should let go of the thought that Bad Wolf indicates a person or an object.

I've had a look myself at the midden message in the diclaimer at http://badwolf.org.uk. Especially the last paragraph before the hidden message.

---
If you're concerned by the thought that the universe has been irrevocably altered by an enormous experiment in neuro-linguistic programming, then just tell yourself "The Bad Wolf is not real. The Bad Wolf is not real. The Bad Wolf is not real."

Rose - Are you there? Are you getting this? You've got the point, haven't you? Rose...?
---

This seems to me as if it supposes that Rose actually lives in a more real world than in which the series is playing. It surely would be quite an anti-climax if it appears that rose has dreamt it all, but I suppose that's more or less the general idea. The story however would be a little more interesting.

→ Posted by: Snif at June 8, 2005 2:41 PM

Just did anyone notice Micky refering to the Dr as 'Big Ears' in episode 11?

→ Posted by: Tal at June 8, 2005 3:09 PM

Yeah but Chris Ecclestone has got big ears.

→ Posted by: Sam at June 8, 2005 5:04 PM

The last paragraph before the hidden message at http://badwolf.org.uk might meen more than we think.The line " ....the universe has been irrevocably altered by an enormous experiment..."

This could meen the Time War..It started as an experiment that went wrong? Could it be that the doctor and rose are the white mice or that (ala D Adams) the mice are the ones controling it but in the subconscious..shareing a dream still on Satellite 5 perhaps?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 8, 2005 6:54 PM

I can see some interesting points there..But my 'beef ', as it were, is about Davros.

I cannot believe that he is appearing in Bad Wolf as the creature that escaped after the 7th doctor destroyed Skaro... Why?

Because Big Finnish are releasing a story called Terror Firma by Joseph Lidster about Davros meeting the 8th doctor after he has been in hiding since the destruction of his Daleks by the Hand of Omega!

Big Finnish have a contract with the beeb and have said that they would not contradict story lines made for the TV series and visa versa, RTD has said the same about Big Finnish..even suggesting that they do the McGann/Ecclestone regeneration.

So sorry fans he just aint in it!

Maybe the original Emperor will be.. That would tie in with the Waterfield/Maxible/Flying pest’s mentioned on the Geocomtex site and what RTD said about ‘something for fans of the Sixties show!’

As for Bad Wolf? It must be wolf in the fold a.k.a. a member of the crew or Tardis it’s self.

→ Posted by: stepman at June 8, 2005 7:26 PM

Its adam.
look at the GeoComtex website referenced on the bad wolf site. He used his knowledge gained to set up GeoComtex that became satalite 500.
He knew of the daleks...knows the future and has an official webite from the BBC set up for him. (his boss was van statton!)
Adam is bad wolf!

→ Posted by: peter ledwith at June 8, 2005 8:03 PM

on the disclaimer page!!

This website has been made by the BBC. It is placed on the Internet.The Internet is an information superhighway based on the sharing of information between computers using wires. The Internet is used by kind permission of GeoComtex.

HOW OBVIOUS IS THAT!!! Its adam!

→ Posted by: peter ledwith at June 8, 2005 8:05 PM

I thought that Skaro was not destroyed as seen in The Doctor Who movie with the cheap dalek voices inside.
I can easily see Adam Becoming Davros however we do have someone else credited as Davros which is kind of contradicting to these theories.
I know they could bring back empty child again and have Daleks going 'ARE YOU MY MUMMY EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE !!!!!!!'

→ Posted by: Sam at June 8, 2005 8:18 PM

The Skaro incident could have happend after the master was Exterminated!Hello? time travel?

Adam isn't Davros..He could be the Bad Wolf..Even the creator of the latest model of Dalek..but not Davros.

Check out Big Finnish story The Juggernauts.

It features Davros and has flash backs to his youth on skaro..not earth!

→ Posted by: stepman at June 8, 2005 9:40 PM

all good theories but take badwolf.org.uk clues from the disclaimer and the bad wold pars on th episodes 2-11 was there a mention of bad wolf anywhere in episode 1 the answer might lie there or between the 1996 movie and now?

and while i'm here wasnt there a pilot between 1996 - 2003 it aired once on bbc1 andit wasnt the movie?

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 9, 2005 4:16 AM

You can say that big finish and the series cannot contradict each other but they can. In the original series stories contradicted with each other. E.g. Genesis of the daleks, Davros created Daleks, before that Daleks created themselves.

→ Posted by: michaelf at June 9, 2005 9:04 AM

What interests me about the hidden message on the Disclaimer page is that it's not aimed at the Doctor but at Rose. To me this suggests that all the bad wolf references are an attempt to tell Rose something - not to tell the Doctor something. This seems to support the idea that Rose is going to learn something unpleasant about the Doc...as for who it is trying to contact her... ??

→ Posted by: Widsith at June 9, 2005 9:29 AM

Hmm, I think Adam is the creator of gamestation. In the grand scheme of things I think this is an place to keep the doctor busy whilst the Dalek fleet approach earth (or Adam is unaware that the Daleks have survived and is trying to get payback for the way the doc treated him). Im not sure whether Adam is Davros, given the fact that it contradicts the big finish titles, however it is possible that something happens along the way to make him beleive that he is a Kaled, or that he is merely colluding with Davros or the Daleks as payback for the way the Doctor handled him. I think the doctor is percieved as bad wolf by Adam and as a result the show is named after adams name for him because it is designed to keep the doc busy thinking that he is in a reality show. Looking forward to finding out though Im sure we wont be dissapointed.

→ Posted by: Poz` at June 9, 2005 11:42 AM

Here is a new clue to put you all on track, The doctor puts a message on badwolf.org.uk for rose, doesnt the big bad wolf go for little red ridein hood?

"Grandma, what big eyes you have!"
"All the better to see you with, my dear."
"What big ears you have!"
"All the better to hear you with."
"But Grandma, what big teeth you have!"
"All the better to EAT you with!!"

The bad wolf is the somthing to do with the TARDIS and the Doctor has unfinished bussiness. i.e. The Master was sucked up by the TARDIS but nothing happended but the Salvine was given a new chance at life. Rose is little red ridein hood, The Doctor Is Granma, And Jack is the hero who rescues rose but the doctor dies (that is the regeneration point at the end of the parting of our ways part 1)

And the time war continues because what the doctor did was reversed. Some how I dont know? Maybe this is the doctors extemination that answers that.

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 9, 2005 12:30 PM

Just to support my last post rose always wears somthing red.

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 9, 2005 12:33 PM

Here's an idea that is totally improbable

What if the Doctor regenerates at the end of the final episode. We see CE’s face morph into - Richard E. Grant who smiles and then final credits roll. David Tennant will have been a smoke screen. Now that would be exciting.

→ Posted by: Tardisobsessive at June 9, 2005 1:03 PM

ok i think your all completely ignoring the mayor clue on the badwolf.org.uk disclaimer page!!

"...Just keep telling yourself. "the bad wolf is not real." then the message to rose. The dr's always pushed people to become the best they can be he's always said rose asks the right questions and has always pushed untill she caught on.

He was the one who mentioned that blaidd drwg meant bad wolf then he dismissed it easily.

What if he is the bad wolf? only he can't tell her she has to figure it out for herself, like part of him's trapped and counting on her to figure it all out and save him.

I think someone said about the matrix earlier and that they could be being filmed on the bad wolf channel which would explain the "The bad wolf is not real." prompt.

lol you understand this makes more sense in my head

→ Posted by: Blaidd drwg at June 9, 2005 4:05 PM

Anybody remember last weeks episode? What was all the writing about at the very end? Does anybody think it is connected in anyway?

→ Posted by: DarkKuja at June 9, 2005 4:41 PM

Perhaps the doctor is trying to yell rose because he is being watched by Master or Daleks abit like in The Invasion of Time ! And it's a big plot to get the Daleks and whoever by the Time lords..Perhaps they have taken them selves out of time to catch out the Daleks..Big Plot if it is...

→ Posted by: stepman at June 9, 2005 5:54 PM

Just to remind everybody that the Davros thing on IMDB was a hoax. http://observationdome.ofla.info/ shows that some guy put it there as a joke. He's a Red Dwarf fan and put that the actor who played Holly in Red Dwarf would be playing Davros. So don't take the IMDB details as potential clues.

→ Posted by: Wnkbucket at June 9, 2005 6:21 PM

I reckon Rose is Bad Wolf and the Doc will have to destroy her

→ Posted by: shirl99 at June 9, 2005 6:40 PM

How can he destroy her if she's in the next series?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 9, 2005 7:13 PM

I reckon the doctor is actually the master and the tardis was trying to warn everyone that the doctor isnt who we think he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

→ Posted by: Sam Stacey at June 9, 2005 7:17 PM

Yeah, that might be it!

→ Posted by: aasics25man at June 9, 2005 7:18 PM

I wish somebody knew for certain!!!!! The suspense is killing me!

→ Posted by: aasics25man at June 9, 2005 7:22 PM

In The Unquiet Dead Gwyneth the parlour maid looks into Rose's mind and sees "The Big Bad Wolf".
This means the wolf must be seen in one of the first two episodes or is the Tardis. She ewasn't frightened of the doctor so it might not be him..unless he's under the influence of another?

If the doctor and rose are being watched by Bad Wolf TV i would think it's been from the Start of the series or even before..

what about this..taken from badwolf. org :

"weargwulf", or Werewolf is Anglo Saxon. "Wearg" is a curious word, meaning either "criminal" or "cursed one".

The doctor could be called cursed?

In the GeoComtex site ther following list is mentioned:

"IE core chip transistors" (International Electromatics in The Invasion), "bubble memory" (Logopolis), "Ether beam sensing technology" (Genesis of the Daleks) and "bonded polycarbon" (Remembrance of the Daleks). The support page has a question that asks whether a "MX-TBL plug-in" is needed for the "WTFLD Generator" — a reference to the characters of Maxtible and Waterfield in The Evil of the Daleks — and refers to a "finklegruber", a Gallifreyan tool mentioned in The Invasion of Time and the Virgin Missing Adventures novel The Well-Mannered War by Gareth Roberts.
This by the looks of it is aa red herring.

Bad wolf site make sense to be set up because of the liks as does the aforementioned GeoComtex site.

But why the unit one? they arnt very prominant in world war three.And why the 'buffalo bomb ? It dosent seem to do much? Could this be a rd herring as well?
Any Ideas?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 9, 2005 7:42 PM

"How can he destroy her if she's in the next series?"

Don't think Rose is in the next series she's left just like CE

Oh and like some guy asked before, what was the big, white text at the end of "boom town" about??!!

→ Posted by: shirl99 at June 9, 2005 8:04 PM

I def think the dr's the bad wolf there have been so many hints to it.

He chases a pig in ep 4 he kept tracking rose down in ep one when she was wearing a red hoody like little red riding hood and nancy did the whole "What big ears you have." thing in empty child.

He has to be the wolf then there's the william blake poem you can hear on the badwolf.org.uk site.

“The Sick Rose”

“O Rose thou art sick
The invisible worm
That flies in the night

In the howling storm
Has found out thy
Bed of crimson joy
And his dark secret love
Does they life destroy.”

Could the secret love be the dr's love for rose? would explian why in all the episodes they've wanted that relationship to come across and the way he was watching her in boom town when mickey was around. He's really possessive of her like he owns her or something.

→ Posted by: Blaidd drwg at June 9, 2005 8:07 PM

Billie piper has said that she will be in atleast 4-7 episodes of the next series.

→ Posted by: deamack at June 9, 2005 9:59 PM

Yo, you are all so totally wrong dudes, I AM BADWOLF!!! FEAR ME!!!

→ Posted by: Billy Piper aka Rose at June 9, 2005 11:16 PM

This conversation's getting repetitive. Let's review, since we're repeating everything else, a few extra twists:

Different websites have different "official/leaked" synopses for the end of season 1.

The BBC is definitely participating in these message boards. They're also rumoured to have filmed multiple endings so that not even the cast would know what happens.

Adam has been credited in some, but not all, of the synopses. So has Davros. The Master has been directly implicated because the poem lyrics in that audio clip at the badwolf site describes his physical description and M.O. as seen all through his history... as well as stating the Master's last known location. The point being that every possible villain is being implicated (not to forget the Daleks in the preview, nor to forget the possibility that it's a hallucination/ flashback/ reality TV joke) so, in other words, the BBC is intentionally messing with us...

And last but not least, it could be quite simply, the Bad Wolf tagging is name placement for a running Truman Show type production which has followed the Doctor since "Who"-knows-when... a theory not to be taken lightly since the daggum channel is called, Bad Wolf, and seems to think the Doctor is pretty nifty.

Anyway.... 2 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Season 27 kicks butt :D :D :D :D So long Chris and thanks for all the "new classic" lines :)

"Lots of planets have a north!"

→ Posted by: Guessworker at June 9, 2005 11:37 PM

I am a bit of a Doc. Who Newbie ^_^: So I am curious about the poem, how is it related to the master? And where on the Bad Wolf site does it give his M.O and last location?

COuldnt the poem be refering to Rose...?

→ Posted by: DarkKuja at June 9, 2005 11:56 PM

What's happening dudes? Norman Lovett as the Master, that's a tragic waste of Frank Thornton (Captain Peacock from "Are You Being Served") who looks exactly like an able-bodied (and two-eyed) Davros.

Anyway, to the point. I notice a couple of references to "fanwanking" and I have to say that mentioning that we should be careful not to do this doesn't mean that you can then do exactly that.

I turned off my fan-mode at the beginnning of episode one and, experiencing the first twinge of discontinuity, remembered that it's for kids. It was when we were kids and, Thank Russell, it is now. Everything you see will be self-contained and self-referencial. Original series characters cannot be predicted, and cannot be predicted to behave as you would expect. Which is great! I don't know who Bad Wolf is and, if I had my way, I wouldn't know that the Daleks were in next weeks episode until the moment they appear. How wonderful would that have been?

It's Thursday night now. Lets's all forget everything we ever knew and, on Saturday night, remember only what it was to be 7 again. Not realising that the Doctor couldn't die, not knowing anything about what the technical jagon meant or that closing your eyes didn't make it go away. Then, when we've done that, let's watch Doctor Who without judging it.

Belive me, anything else leads to profound disappointment.

Happy Times and Places,

Nige

→ Posted by: Nigel Robinson at June 10, 2005 12:01 AM

Me again...

Every one seems to be missing one vital point...i keep seeing things like "Rose klls the doctor" or "The Doctor will betray Rose" It has been confirmed the Rose will appear in a number of episodes during the next season, so if the Doctor tries to till Rose. Why in gods name would she hang around??
Just a thought

→ Posted by: AJay at June 10, 2005 12:03 AM

OH, and like the 'badwolf.org" site says...

YOU DONT KNOW EVERYTHING

in other words, we have not seen all the clues, and that the Bad Wolf possibly wont be revealed to us until the end in good old cliffhanger styles, or perhaps even episode 13 itself.

→ Posted by: AJay at June 10, 2005 12:05 AM

Whos the doctors companion "death" remember Clive (dealy departed now) had info he had the answer, I know now the answer to the story BBC Wales knew if they didnt film mulipul endings then the answer whould be here now. STOP SPECULATING and watch the dam show on saturday

(I feel sorry to the non-uk viewers as the answer will be here as of 7.45 bst and will have to torrent the episode to watch it hopefully if the US viewers put up a stink they might get it on there TV at the same time as uk viewers on there BBC America channel if not why dont pester the BBC to steam it live on the net via HDTV PPV via UPN for the next series, whould be worth $30 at least)

I support the abloshment of the TV Lincence and replace it with a Pay channel System for premium Channels Like BB1 THREE and leaving BBC2 BBC4 FREE FROM SUBSCRIPTION just with ads betwwen programs ie 5 mins bettween programs could advertise Soap Powder, and tea bags

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 10, 2005 1:12 AM

Just accered to me can some one record the audio off badwolf and play it backwards another clue lies there i think post the audio in mp3 to me and i`ll host it on my webspace and put a direct link to it if you cant host it

my e-mail addy is BADWOLF@HAVEANICEDAY.ORG.UK

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 10, 2005 1:16 AM

Here's my pick.
Doc is the wolf.
He's known it for a long time.
He knows something is watching him.
My main guess is that Adam is responsible for the 'Bad Wolf'. It's his name for the Doctor. I think Adam is now in charge of geocomtex. I think it's possible that Adam is the re-creator of the Daleks but there's something else going on. Not sure if he is the new davros or not. Strong possibility. I think Capt Jack is an agent of the Daleks also, but wouldn't it be weird if he is Adam? Moxx's reference to the 'Bad Wolf Scenario' is the Dalek invasion. Adam has had a thing for Rose since they met. I think he really hates the Doctor. And why does the Doctor always call Mickey, Ricky? He knows something... Maybe he relased that Viurus on the net, and GeoComtex owns it and used it to get info on the Doctor.

Whatever happens, I can't wait to see it. I haven't had this much fun watching TV since the Tom Baker years.

→ Posted by: Cain at June 10, 2005 5:54 AM

Soloved it watch the the fisrst few minuite of the 1996 movie do you see what I see a wolf!!!

The master is the BAD WOLF!!!

So what happened between 1996 and 2005 is the next step was there any Dr Who Books telling the story of Doctor 8 Adventures and doing's.

And why is the TARDIS so small now compaired to the Movie wasnt the TARDIS a spaceship with infinate rooms because we only ever seen 1 room now.

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 10, 2005 6:58 AM

I was really confused as to what you all meant when you were mentioning all that writing at the end of Boom Town.

I was looking at it with my Cardiff eyes - if you mean

"In these stones horizons sing" and the gobbledigook to the left of it - that's the back of the Welsh National Opera House or the Millennium Centre as it's also known. Unless RTD did some serious planning for this Dr Who I think that was just a nod to the future of Wales and a bit of Welsh pride on RTD's behalf. The lingering shot wasn't meant for the Doc's storyline.

→ Posted by: Sean at June 10, 2005 9:42 AM

Yeah, but on the other hand, the plot of the episode was about an apparently inanimate object (the Tardis), and something more vibrant and living with in it. As such it made a connection, and if you wanted to push some of the theories, you could quite easily view it as another reference to the presence of something inside the Tardis.

→ Posted by: Tom Coates at June 10, 2005 10:48 AM

yeah or the Council said if you don't promote the Bay and it's star feaure you can't put your little blue box on the floor!

Quite like the thought though.

→ Posted by: sean at June 10, 2005 11:46 AM

I still like the idea that Rose is somehow the little red riding hood in all of this.

Have spent way too much time now looking at all the theories, making my own and searching for the clues. Now I'm just gonna sit back, wait for tommorrow night and pretend two little words haven't made me obsessive.

→ Posted by: Blaidd drwg at June 10, 2005 3:46 PM

I think that Adam is the creator of the new version of the daleks because wen he left Satelite 5 he took hame 200,000 years of knowledge with him. I also think Badwolf is the master strongly!!!!!

→ Posted by: Gold Dalek at June 10, 2005 4:22 PM

I also think that Adam is the creator of the gamestation to use it as a distraction so the daleks could get to earth and invade!

→ Posted by: Gold Dalek at June 10, 2005 4:25 PM

I think Bad Wolf is a Dalek leader as the only episode called Bad Wolf has Daleks in it.
I mightr write back after i've watched the episode though!

→ Posted by: Bob at June 10, 2005 4:39 PM

Rose - Are you there? Are you getting this? You've got the point, haven't you? Rose...?

If you look at this, it looks to me like Rose is speaking, as it says "Rose - Are you there?" like a script. Pehraps she is taling to herself.

(I am the same person as Gerry.)

→ Posted by: The Doctor at June 10, 2005 4:45 PM

I like the idea of Adam being Davros- but isn't Davros an alien?

→ Posted by: Richard at June 10, 2005 6:39 PM

Just checked on IMDB theyve removed Davros from the Character list and replaced it with 'Tardis Voice' That sounds interesting.

→ Posted by: Sam at June 10, 2005 6:49 PM

The link to the Dr Who website from the Badwolf site (and possibly the normal Dr Who links from the bbc site...) now takes you to a "Badwolf TV" frontpage with links to the usual Dr Who pages.

Looks like "Bad Wolf" is a TV channel after all..

→ Posted by: Adam Hendine at June 10, 2005 7:27 PM

Geocomtex site:

Give us a shout on our toll free number (555-236-801).

555-236-801!

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 10, 2005 7:33 PM

I think the Doctor knows who/what the Bad Wolf is- check the Fear Factor, and you'll see it says ''The Doctor is warning someone through the camera.'' I think I'll die of shock once the Bad Wolf is revealed.

→ Posted by: Richard at June 10, 2005 7:38 PM

Adam Hendine, you've got it all wrong. Check the Bad Wolf site- it mentions 'badwolf tv' on the 'Clues' section.

→ Posted by: Richard at June 10, 2005 7:40 PM

IMBD says that Kevin Eldon is Bad Wolf. TYpe in his name on Google and look at the imagies..Give him a beard and he could make a good Master...

→ Posted by: deamack at June 10, 2005 9:36 PM

I'm Convinced that the Bad Woldf is the doctor and that he is't "The Doctor". This Kevin Eldon is and he get's killed when he exposes the fake..

But i could be wrong..or could i be from the bbc and just making it up to confuse you as the answer lies within this site...

ALL THE BETTER TO EAT YOU WITH......

→ Posted by: stepman at June 10, 2005 10:25 PM

WHO ARE YOU...?

I've been reading all this and i just think that we will know..at around 7.40 tomorrow...what a cliff hanger.

IT'S ME NOT YOU...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

→ Posted by: Tamers at June 10, 2005 10:31 PM

384.5544308664

try typing this in on predictive text on a mobile phone
3845 = evil

5?

443= Hid (predictive comes up with Hidden)

0?

8664= tong (predictive comes up with tongue)

so EVIL HIDDEN TONGUE

Also mimsy borogrove momerath & outgrabe are all from lewis carol. looking glass anyone?

→ Posted by: mark at June 10, 2005 10:51 PM

also see borogrove tripod site try left click dragging right down the page. now read the poem mentioned in paragraph 1.

not a big big who fan but enjoying the series and hope this might make more sense to some of you.

cheers

→ Posted by: mark at June 10, 2005 10:56 PM

I'll be happy to be proven wrong! Many of the fan theories seem a lot better than simply having a "Bad Wolf TV" and to be honest I'd be disappointed if the BBC did tip things off on the website in this way.

I was merely reporting the change to the site.

Looking forward to learning the truth...

→ Posted by: Adam Hendine at June 10, 2005 11:47 PM

Other in-jokes from the GeoComtex site:

Argentum Ordnance = Silver Bullets

Also a "League of Gentlemen" reference perhaps out of respect to Mark Gatiss, one of the League who is also a Dr Who writer:

"Q: My Tubbs just doesn't work like it used to. How do I reset it?
A: Enter code 12-T."

Tubbs being the hideous female owner of the Local Shop whose counting skills lead her to define any large quantity as "twelvety."

→ Posted by: Adam Hendine at June 11, 2005 12:26 PM

3 hours 40 mins to go

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 3:20 PM

T-3 hours 39 minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 3:21 PM

T-3 hours 38 minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 3:22 PM

T-3 hours 13 minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 3:46 PM

T- 2 hours 41 minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 4:19 PM

Hello everyone. Im new here and i just had a really far fetched idea. I think it might help explain who Bad Wolf is, or it may just be coincidence.

I was fiddling around with the letters BAD WOLF and decided to convert into numbers So A=1, B=2 up until Z=26.

This left B=2, A=1, D=4, W=23, O=15, L=12 and F=6.

When put together it gives us 214 2315126.

Well i was thinking this could be used in a similar way in which the number 23 6 801 was used above only this time we have:

21=Season 21 (1984)
4=Story 4 (Resurrection of the Daleks)
23= 23 minutes into the episode
15= 15 seconds into the episode
12 = Could be 12 milliseconds into the episode

If i remember rightly, at this stage of Resurrection of the Daleks we are a few moments away from the cliffhanger, at the point where Lytton releases............DAVROS from his prison.

This leaves the number 6 outstanding, but DAVROS is spelt with 6 letters so maybe that is what the number 6 represents?
After typing this i realise how stupid it sounds, what are your opinions?

→ Posted by: Matt W at June 11, 2005 4:25 PM

The Bad wolf is a fake hes a sheep.

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 4:26 PM

T minus 42 Minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 5:12 PM

Only 50mins to go!! I bet all of you it isnt the Master - at least I hope it isnt...

Cant wait!!!

→ Posted by: DarkKuja at June 11, 2005 6:06 PM

T MINUS 18 Minuits

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 6:41 PM

THE TIME HAS COME TO REVEAL MYSELF.......

→ Posted by: BAD WOLF at June 11, 2005 6:48 PM

We have lift off.... ENJOY

→ Posted by: billy piper at June 11, 2005 6:57 PM

Well we were all rong...and that is definatly the Emporer Dalek..Same voice used in Big Finnish.

Excellent story..can't wait till next week...

→ Posted by: DEAMACK at June 11, 2005 7:45 PM

BUT IS IT

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 7:51 PM

What is...?

→ Posted by: deamack at June 11, 2005 7:55 PM

I told you it wan't The Master.

And for those of you who still imagine he'll make some deus ex machina appearance next week, he won't. Get over it.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 11, 2005 8:18 PM

Why can't the BBC just air the last 2 episodes of the series back-to-back like good channels do at the ends of a series. i.e Sky One and Fox screening the last 2 hours of 24.

→ Posted by: Dan at June 11, 2005 8:25 PM

definitely not the Master, although Adam is still a possibility. Derrick, the Weakest Link contestant said the name of Bad Wolf TV was from an old nursery rhyme, amybe Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? Who of course being the Doctor, in which case the bad wolf is the Daleks are the bad wolf, as we've seen in the episode. Equally, could be the other way round...
Oooh, im so excited!!!

→ Posted by: Nina at June 11, 2005 8:26 PM

I wasn't born when the original series was on the TV but I'm a big fan of this series.

On the next week teaser, whas that Davros' voice?

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 11, 2005 8:27 PM

I asked the Beeb to do that but they said no.

→ Posted by: billy piper at June 11, 2005 8:28 PM

T- 6 DAYS 22 HOURS 32 MINUITS

→ Posted by: Eric Sutton at June 11, 2005 8:28 PM

Doctor will die next week and Christopher Eccleston will make a brief appearance in the Christmas Special somehow before we are introduced to that Casanova guy - David whatshisface.

→ Posted by: Dan at June 11, 2005 8:30 PM

I think the voice was either
1.The Tardis
2.Davros/Emperor Dalek
3.Adam (Creates himself a Dalek case)

→ Posted by: The Doctor at June 11, 2005 8:32 PM

Thanks, btw I checked the guest appearance list on IMDB and Laura Frazer is credited as The Tardis Voice on next weeks episode.

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 11, 2005 8:35 PM

The way the BBC airs its TV shows are pretty pathetic.

They won't show more than 1 Doctor Who episode a week.
We end up with 20 year old only fools horses episodes once a week instead of them screening some of the specials once in a while.
The Simpsons just vanished.
24 was just a joke, they didn't show series 3 at all and have now started showing 'SERIES 1!!' at a late hour, and have cut out the 'Events occur in real time' line as well as the 'Previously on 24' clips.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer used to dissapear for weeks on end and sometimes come back in a totally different slot.

Need a go on?...

→ Posted by: Dan at June 11, 2005 8:40 PM

Wish it was this time next week then we can all go out again on a saturday night.. that is unless they repeat the series

→ Posted by: shirl99 at June 11, 2005 8:43 PM

Someone mentioned Armageddon. If we're talking bad wolves, wouldn't Ragnarok be more apt?

Hmm? Hmm?

→ Posted by: DaiZo at June 11, 2005 8:53 PM

If the voice in the trailer claiming responsibility is the Tardis', that has interesting implications.

Could it be the Tardis that has kept the Daleks alive?

It's not Davros' voice, and it seems unlikely that he'll be in this last episode. But it could be the Dalek Emperor.

It's unlikely to be Adam. He'd have been brought into the 'Bad Wolf' episode earlier. I doubt he had a role in 'recreating' a 'new' race of Daleks. Remember, the trailer of episode 13 had a question about how person X helped the Daleks survive the Time War. The Daleks haven't been wiped out and born again from scratch (with or without Adam's help), they survived. And there's no reason to throw Adam into the plot as well.

→ Posted by: Logic at June 11, 2005 9:31 PM

Ok go to GEOCOMTEX site and recruting and look at the cd rom! WAT hmm those raindow refelction wat a shape...wat a pepperpot with a long stick on there head.....were have i seen that!?

Ok lemme put it like this NO MASTER!

But a The Watcher if is a time travelr cood of used Adam to bring to the futre get all he needs and let him lose!? Or Maybe Adam is a new Davrous he read then Daleks hisorty and took on as the new Davrous to conrtol the Daleks!??

→ Posted by: Rich at June 11, 2005 9:31 PM

Can someone post the plot/gist of the penultimate episode?
I missed it!!!!!!!!!!
No-ones put a full write-up of the episode on the web yet...

→ Posted by: Will at June 11, 2005 10:04 PM

Loved tonight's episode and, for suspense, it was one of the best. Next episode's looks even better and the "battle" of the Daleks looked fantastic in terms of special effects. Davros, Adam and The Watcher are all in the next episode (as per the cast list) but no mention of The Master, which is a shame because he would have been a great addition to the series. Having said that, I think the Beeb are really looking to the Daleks as the main enemy with the new Who. One question though....didn't Davros die in the old series?

→ Posted by: Tim at June 11, 2005 10:06 PM

that episode was easily the best yet. It was not the master or most of the others, i think it was eather adam, davros or the dalek emperor...

→ Posted by: cvife at June 11, 2005 10:18 PM

least we know now why ep 6 was called the long game.

The Dr says who ever was controlling satellite 5/game station had been controlling the human race for hundreds of years and he says "They've been playing the long game."

→ Posted by: Blaidd drwg at June 11, 2005 10:52 PM

It's not fair, I watched every episode of this series except one, I missed it cus i was out. Long game, which, it seems, is possibly one of, if not, the most important episode until Bad Wolf.

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 11, 2005 11:58 PM

Just noticed something rather amusing.

Geocomtex site: Support:

Q: I'm trying to get the Discotron-3 to flash in the sequence MED BIL EOTV

MED BIL EOTV when read backwards is an anagram for VOTE LIB DEM

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 12, 2005 12:01 AM

The TARDIS is the Bad Wolf.
Remember in that episode where the TARDIS was gratified with the words 'Bad Wolf' but The Doctor made that kid remove the graffiti?
I think that the TARDIS was merely being labelled with its name and the TARDIS itself will confirm this when it speaks next week.

→ Posted by: Doctor Who? at June 12, 2005 12:26 AM

DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ A SPOILER:

on tvtome.com it says that the voice was of Davros, their creator.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-34391/epid-407905

→ Posted by: anuj at June 12, 2005 2:08 AM

Just a thought, but people have mentioned the Master isn't on the cast list. True, but the TARDIS is. Some people have thought that the Master could be in/part of the Tardis... he/she/it could be the voice.

As for next weeks ep... who says's we'll find out? It'd make a perfect hook for next season "what is bad wolf"

→ Posted by: Bail at June 12, 2005 2:27 AM

Nope your all wrong, the Bad Wolf is my next door neighbours Sausage dog called Tiddles, dont let the name fool you he is evil.

→ Posted by: Dalek Extreme at June 12, 2005 2:29 AM

Whats eveyones view on the next episode? If the Dalek ships are meerly a fleet, then surely they must now have a new home or base - therefore prolonging there involvement in the new series beyond the next episode? I dont fully understand what happened with the Terry Nation Estate, but i for one would love to see the Daleks remain a perminent fixture in Dr Who - all be it by using them sparingly as too much repetition would devalue there appearances. Does anybody know if they are to remain or are they to be written out? I know nothing is certain, due to the nature of the series (time travel etc), but it would be a huge shame if the Daleks are wiped out for good. What does everyone think? Also, love the new series but hate the format - 45 mins a week is hardly enough to develop good stories. With the series really taking off hope the BBC can look into this! One last thing - how is this series going to end? Hopefully the Daleks will come out of it in a way which enables them to return next season. Any ideas? The regeneration will be interesting also.

→ Posted by: Sam at June 12, 2005 2:33 AM

It doesn't matter I think, if the Dalek's are defeated, we were led to believe that the Dalek in "Dalek" was the last and that all the Dalek's were wiped out. Even the Doctor believed it.
If they are wiped out they will come back. The Daleks will not be completely written out.

→ Posted by: Martyn at June 12, 2005 2:45 AM

Well Folks,

From what I can see and theory 'the daleks were recreated using humans, zapped out of game shows to create those daleks'.. I cant see it being the voice of the tardis that was speaking.

More like Davros had either entered the tardis or had been hidden somwhere in there for a long time, for all of you older folks, will remember - the tardis had corridors and extra rooms, just sometimes the budget didn't cover the extra sets.

In the past there has been two or three voices/actors of davros. This one suprises me.

(Hopefully this next bit of formatting works)
Read/Highlight below:

The voice of Davros is Norman Lovett arcoding to tvtome.com. Who was also the voice of Holly in Red Dwarf for the first few and latest of the series', i dont doubt this as his profile also tells us he is in the new Red Dwarf movie, which there was some talks about that not happening. But he has been cast for it (unless they lie). Listening to that voice i can kind of hear him in there somewhere.. The voice also sounded deep enough to be Davros. Bare that in mind.

Thats it for me, for now.. Will post back soon, I would have checked the numbers theory out, but its 3 in the morn and i dont wanna go routin through my old boxes of tapes..

→ Posted by: Phatal at June 12, 2005 3:03 AM

23-6-801
Date of te timewar perhaps? I think the voice may have been the tardis. It would make sense that bad wolf warnings follow them everywher, cause the Tardis goes with them. At the same time, It could be Davros. I wasn't born when the old Who aired, but i have seen Davros on UKTV Gold, and to me it sounds like him.

→ Posted by: The Doctor at June 12, 2005 11:29 AM

Earth is at war with the Daleks and they invade the Game Station. The Doctor discovers that the Daleks were saved from the Time War by Davros, their creator. But this final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor.

Found that on TV TOME!

→ Posted by: The Doctor at June 12, 2005 11:32 AM

i think it was definately davros!

→ Posted by: aasics25man at June 12, 2005 11:35 AM

and davros is Norman Lovett other wise known as holygram in red dwarf

→ Posted by: adrian at June 12, 2005 11:35 AM

i cant wait yill next week

→ Posted by: emma at June 12, 2005 11:58 AM

If you can get hold of a copy of the audio version of 'Evil of the Daleks' and Bid Finnish 'The Mutant Phase' the voice sounds exactly like the emporer Dalek which would also tie in with RTD saying about " the twist would please fans from the 60's as well as the present.." Ties in perfectly.
Also the Norman Lovett/Davros casting has already been stated as a fake..jeez you guy's..look at what people have said before making these comments..

→ Posted by: DEAMACK at June 12, 2005 12:04 PM

The Beeb have been known to put spoof cast members in and leave key surprises out of cast lists before. It's been said above that Norman as Davros was a hoax.

Interesting nobody seems to have mentioned the bit about Captain Jack leaving the Time Agents because they took a chunk of his life. Seems a bit unlikely this was just a throwaway device to explain him with no relevance for later episodes?

Bad Wolf must originally come from the nursery rhyme as somebody Who's afraid of. The anagram idea doesn't work, Fenris, Loki's wolf at the end of the wold in Norse mythology may be irrelevant but has anybody tried Bad Wolf in assorted languages? We've had it in Welsh, German and French already. Is Da Vros some obscure Balkan dialect? Or Mas Tyr? I suspect a very bad pun somewhere.

It would be annoying if it were Davros. He's never shown an appetite for teasing and games before - as the Doc said, if they'd wanted him dead they could have zapped him when he arrived - or probably at any point in the assorted stories where they've intruded. More the Master's style.

This episode reminded me, who's been watching since 1963, of the early episode where Hartnell & Co were forced to play games in some celestial toyroom - nerds will no doubt quote title and date for me.

I like the idea of a renegade Time Lord (whatever happened to Morbius?). If the solitary Dalek couldn't detect his fellows it's feasible that Doc's inability to sense any Time Lords in the continuum was similarly blocked.

That voice was far to deep for any previous Davros. I am pretty sure it was being treated to throw us off the scent.

→ Posted by: DaiZo at June 12, 2005 12:17 PM

Try putting 'The Parting of the Ways' into a site search..very interesting..This phrase is used to talk about the Jewish christan relasions by Anne Amos. She talks about a council (war council?) by Emperor Constantine(note: Emperor)to settle some theological differences that were dividing his Christian Empire(Dalek Empire?).

They do say what comes around goes around..

Parting of the waves is also a song by the Carpenters. The lyrics are intresting and go like this:

Where has it gone?

The love we shared?

The love I live for is no longer there

If God only planned it to last all our days

There never would have been a parting of our ways

Love was so bright, then you went away

My days were sunny; now they are gray

If God only planned it to last all our days

There never would have been a parting of our ways

I hope and pray that he'll return to me

Forever since he's been gone, I've been in misery

I hope someday he'll come up to my door,

Saying he's sorry he'll leave no more

My love is gone now; it didn't last

Who was my future now is my past

If God only planned it to last all our days

There never would have been,

Never would have been now,

Never would have been a parting of our ways

WHO could the be talking about?

→ Posted by: stepman at June 12, 2005 12:17 PM

in the last dalek, at the end we were sposed to beleive that the dalek killed himself. but i think he teleported himself to davros, and because that dalek had the dna from rose, davros was able to create millions more daleks

→ Posted by: davros at June 12, 2005 12:29 PM

nope davros did not die at the end of r